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As the evolution of the trawler and cruising motoryacht continued into the 1980s, there was growing interest in developing boats with raised pilothouses to separate the helm station from the rest of the boat. Robert Beebe wrote about this in his seminal Voyaging Under Power. The need for a protected helm, from which the boat could continue on course at sea, without the distraction from galley lighting or crew quarters, day and night, was considered important enough for designers to include models with a raised pilothouse, much like one sees on commercial vessels.

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The introduction of the Krogen 42 in 1976, then the Fleming 55 in the mid-1980s (as Grand Banks owners clamored for a pilothouse yacht with the quality of Grand Banks), followed by the Nordhavn 46, all set the expectation that a raised pilothouse was now a requirement of any serious passagemaker and ocean-going cruising motoryacht. While they have been around for quite some time, in Northern Europe and elsewhere, Art DeFever was a big proponent of the style, as well as Willard and other designers building pilothouse cruising yachts in fiberglass, wood and steel, and demand for raised pilothouse cruising yachts became mainstream by the 1990s.

Of course, there have been pleasure yachts built on commercial fishing hulls, such as Delta Marine’s 70-foot Zopilote, which circumnavigated before it began showing up on the bucket list of those in the world cruising community. The Pacific Northwest has a history of pilothouse trawlers, as the conditions are demanding for the fishing fleets that work the Northwest and Alaska.

In its most common form, the raised pilothouse is located up a few steps from the saloon and galley level, bringing the pilothouse above the rest of the boat. This provides a commanding view from large forward and side windows. There are generally one or two doors to the side decks, many of which are well protected by a Portuguese bridge. The large helm console has enough real estate for a full complement of cruising electronics, navigation instruments, VHF and SSB radios, engine and generator controls and gauges, bow and stern thrusters, windshield washer, horn, and firefighting controls. All of the electrical panels are usually in the pilothouse as well.

It is the command center for all the boat’s systems.

One can safely and comfortably drive this type yacht from the pilothouse in all weather, with air conditioning and heat to match the conditions. There is usually a fixed helm chair that is more of a throne. Crew can also enjoy the day’s journey in the pilothouse, seated on settees wrapped around a table. There is also a chart table and storage for navigation tools.

While an ocean passage on most other types of offshore boats calls for a complete wardrobe of foul weather gear and robust safety equipment, with harnesses and strobes, it is common to cross an ocean (or any body of water, for that matter) from the comfort of a pilothouse wearing flip flops.

Some pilothouse designs have access down to the accommodations from the pilothouse, but that not always. And while it is generally easy to bring meals, drinks, and snacks up to the pilothouse so the crew can eat meals together underway, that is also not always the case. The Nordhavn 62, for example, requires the crew to climb a steep set of steps, balancing plates, glasses, wine bottles, and cutlery while holding onto the railing for safety. It is just the nature of this design, which has about the most shippy profile as anyone will find. 

Stepping outside of the pilothouse during a night watch is a nice break to get some refreshing air and reminds you how great standing watch is in the protection of the pilothouse.

Some of the builders of raised pilothouse yachts include Alaskan, Nordlund, Outer Reef, Fleming, Northern Marine, Kadey-Krogen, Nordhavn, Offshore, Cheoy Lee, Ocean Alexander, Nordic Tugs, Selene, Marlow, Vripack, Northwest Yachts, and others.

Most pilothouse yachts have a large destroyer-type wheel for steering, but a trend today is to use jog sticks instead to control the autopilot(s) steering the boat. The big wheel is removed and stored out of the way.

Docking usually requires stepping out of the pilothouse, and many yachts have controls for using the thrusters and engine controls on handheld remotes or wing stations off the bridge or in the aft cockpit.

Whether the front windows are raked back for that “North Sea” look, are vertical as found on tug yachts, or slanted forward for a sleeker profile, standing watch in a raised pilothouse is a marvelous experience. 

It feels like driving a small ship, or as close as one can get.

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I like all those boats. Of interest to you, Camaraderie has a Tayana 52 which he and his wife cruised on for a while. It is now up for sale. Cam knows his stuff and I would vouch for his knowledge on boats and no doubt how he kept his boat up. However, the shipping costs are going to be high from Annapolis (where I think the boat is). If nothing else, he would be a good resource for you. Hope that helps. Good luck in your search. - CD  

I would recommend that you look at a Nauticat pilothouse sailboat, like this one . I do have a question for you: Why are you looking at a boat >=40' in LOA? Is there a specific reason for doing so? How many people will be aboard typically? How many crew? How much experience do they all have? Given your limits on the annual costs, I doubt that you'll really want a boat 40'+ LOA... the mooring/dockage costs of a boat that long are considerable-since those costs are usually charged per foot. The maintenance, insurance and dockage/mooring costs all generally go up with the size of the boat. Are you looking for a new boat, or a used boat? A new 40' boat is going to cost in the neighborhood of $200,000 or so. This doesn't account for any customization or modifications you might want to make to the boat. Assuming a 40' sailboat, with a total purchase price of $200,000 and 18% down, and getting 15 year marine-mortgage at 8% APR, your monthyly payment for just the boat financing would be $1600 or $19,200. Dock costs are usually $130 per foot for a six-month season here in the New England area. Winter storage is about 2/3's that. Total storage costs are going to be about $8000. Insurance for that boat will probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000-2500 or so for an Agreed Value policy. That doesn't leave a whole lot for maintenance costs or fuel or anything else, based on your annual budget of $30,000.  

Given the season and weather up there, and I spent enough time up there to know it well... I'd recommend you get a pilothouse sailboat. The Nauticats have a nice pilothouse sailboat. Be aware they also make a motorsailer, but that isn't what I'm talking about.  

I've been on a nauticat, it was probably the 37 at the Seattle boat show in february. Perusing YW, the new ones are definitely spendy, and the used ones are all in europe (other than the motorsailor). The new one looks a lot like the wauqiuez pilothouse saloon.. (also more readily available in europe, but I think the smaller one doesn't have an interior helm). Unlike a center cockpit though, the sail controls aren't accessible in the pilot house. This is fine for a long ocean voyage where you are on the same point of sail for a long time and want to stay out of the weather (and heck are probably not hand steering) However, for inland waters you have to tack and adjust sail trim often, where you are exposed to the crappy stuff. We get the real wind here in the winter, so that's the fun time to sail. I'll have to give it a second thought. I guess two way electric winches could fix that, but that could take a lot of the fun out.  

I am surprised that you can find a new 40' boat for 200K. One brand you might want to look at is Gozzard. nix that - I just looked at their brokerage listings and they're pretty pricey... Gozzard Yachts - Brokerage great boats though. Maybe a Bayfield ? Lots of room, strongly built and the bigger ones are no slower than a lot of other boats out there...  

Paul...thanks for the kind comments on my boat. I agree with you that a CC boat will: 1. Give you room to spread out a bit below...(I am 6'4") especialy in the aft cabin. 2. Be very snug and comfy if you do a cockpit enclosure an it will keep you drier as well. My 52 is out of your range and I would think most would be after adding in "fix costs" however I do suggest you look at the Tayana42 CC which is a canoe sterned center cockpit. Other CC's which are well built and can fall into your price range or under it would be: Hylas 44/46/47, Brewer42/44, Peterson44/46, Moody40/44, Celestial48, Bristol 43/47 and I variety of older, more limited production boats like Oysters, Little Harbors etc. Be patient...you may have to wait a bit for the right CC boat to come along. Don't be afraid to go fairly far afield to get the boat you want...this is not like buying a Catalina 27...you can put it on a ship to Seattle for less $$ than a similar one might cost you up there. Good luck!  

Sailormann, I think you are right for anything but a hunter or catalina. A new hanse 400 is closer to the middle of my price range incl tax and commisioning, depending on options. Camaraderie, thanks for your advice, esp the comment on shipping the boat up here. Definitely something I have to worry about. A west coast boat would be easiest, but not a lot of what I'm looking for even in CA. The celestial 48 is nice looking, had never heard of them, sounds like something to check out.  

Pal, I can understand going for a pilothouse boat but personally...No matter how much I've appreciated staying out of the rain and sun, I've always found biminis and cockpit enclosures to be a RFPITA. Every time you want to rig something, or each something, or tie something, or go someplace, there's that damned fragile tent in the way. I find that a good set of foulies, with a REAL GOOD hood and high collar that fit well, and a nice silk/wool scarf for my neck, or a nice navy-style watch cap (or "jeep cap" which has a short brim in it) keeps me happy enough in the cockpit, and an diesel cabin heater (Esper, Esbacher, etc.) below will remedy anything else in short order. Trying to turn a cockpit into a pilothouse can be an expensive and cumbersome business. Just one sailor's point of view.  

hellosailor.. lmao.. I fully expected suck it up as an answer. I picked up a set of offshore helly hansen foulweather gear (retail like $1200) at their sample sale for next to nothing. It has a nice high collar, and very windproof construction. It's mostly my extremities, fingers + toes.. that and the wind/freezer burn on the face. I read about camradarie in his shorts and tshirt in his CC, and started thinking there might be a better life out there.. anyone have thoughts on these.. ? mason 53' YachtWorld.com Boats and Yachts for Sale tashing 50' YachtWorld.com Boats and Yachts for Sale I've read on the tayana forums and elsewhere about the concerns about teak decks from boats from the Tayang shipyard. Is the same true for the Tashing yard? Camaradarie, did you have to deal with your teak decks?  

The folks at Marine Servicenter which sell Jeanneau, C&C, Tarten, nauticat and dehler may have some options for you also. The new pilot house at Signiture yacht sales from....dang it, can not remember the florida manufacture.........they also have benetueau and sabre. Find something that is fin keeled, moderate disp, draft is not an issue in most places around here, unlike the east coast. So a deep fin will do you well for pointing as one needs to do around here, or downwind. Also one with plenty of sail area option for the summer doldrum months. IE a 150 lighter wt drifter reacher is a good summer sail, with a 110 for the winter, and something availible in the 140 range for normal work. You might also look at teh 48 degrees north mags listing also, along with the yachtworld list too. I also know a broker that has sailed his yacht he lives on from teh east coast to the southern puget sound area that he works out of. We bought our used boat thru him. A very knowlegeble broker. The folks at MSC are good too. Other wise, used there are lots of Islanders, Newports, ranger, ericson, Jboats to some degree, that are in the cruiser racer mix, altho a lot less than you are thinking of spending, unless you do go new. Also get something with a larger motor, due to currents and tides! ie the 6-9 knot versions thru deception, narrows etc. Marty  

Paul...the Mason seems cheap but I like them a lot. I'm wondering if there are significant issues with the boat (like decks). The Orion reminds me a lot of our own boat and there is nothing wrong with the Tashing yard... the listing reminded me to tell you to put norseman 44 on your list as well!... I really DON'T like the golden color on that particular boats decks as it means that harsh cleaners have been used. The stern of the boat is a tragedy! Any boats from any where with screwed down teak decks will need those decks re-done sooner or later. Some boats have had this work done already...others need it now and should be priced WAY below going market price...others don't need it yet. If the boat has spent its' life in the tropics you get less life out of a teak deck. My own spent the first 25 years of its' life in fresh water and up north and covered for 6 months a year + the PO had painted the decks with what looked to be some sort of house paint! So, our decks were pristine when we bought her but that was a BIG concern for me in the survey phase. So far no leaks and all we use on her is salt water! I wouldn't LOOK for teak decks (even though they feel great under your feet and give excellent traction)...but I wouldn't rule a boat out that had them unless they needed work.  

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"camaraderie, isn't the worry that the core is rotting underneath the decks, because water gets in thru the screw holes.. So even though everything looks fine, there could be a scary hidden issue, one that can't be surveyed for easily because it's the underdeck. " You're right...the core is the real concern since the decks can always be replaced...but bad core gets messy and it is never certain how BIG the job will be until you start digging. My own view now is that: 1. It is quite unusual to have a teak deck that appears to be in excellent condition and have significant core issues. On the other hand...if the deck does not appear in good condition, you can almost bet on significant core issues. 2. One nice thing about most teak decked boats is that they typicaly have removeable interior headliners. This means you can remove a panel and tap for core problems. It also makes for relatively easy repairs for core issues around fittings etc. ...I really ugly job on boats with interior FG liners. So...as I said...I would NOT be looking for a boat with teak decks given the possibilities...but I wouldn't walk away from one automatically either, if I loved everything else about the boat.  

For the brand new boat, we were pretty interested in doing teak. An awlgripped deck just doesn't give me quite the same feeling of emotional satisfaction. I'll take your advice to heart for the older boats, and find myself a good surveyor who can check this. Or find more like this tayana 52, who've done the work already YachtWorld.com Boats and Yachts for Sale I'll added a budget line item for shipping from FL. I'm waiting to hear back from dockwise.  

I'd second hellosailor's aversion to canvassed in cockpits - CC or aft - and can understand the temptation to go for a pilothouse for year round cruising in this area. But there are few good designs that meet the criteria other than semi custom boats. There are a few Cooper 416s and 502s about, (also built as US 42) - they have lots of room, inside steering and an aft cockpit for the good days, but don't really measure up to some of the other higher end brands you are looking at. Saturna made a 37 - a bit on the small side for you... the locally built Sceptre series (41/43) carry a good reputation and hold their value well - you might look into those as well. It's a handsome vessel for a pilothouse design. All of these were built in the Vancouver BC area. YachtWorld.com Boats and Yachts for Sale &  

That Sceptre is very nice, they certainly do hold their value well. That is a pretty heavy boat though at 41' (29,000lbs), and quite expensive compared to other 40' boats. I imagine this is designed for more offshore work. The rig doesn't look particularly large and with that furling main, so I'd expect a pretty low SA/D. Pilothouse is interesting, but since you can't really sail while in the house, it has very few advantages for me. If conditions are really so horrid, I have the option of not leaving port rather than motoring all day. Not sure if it's better or worse for navigating in and out of port under power, and certainly in the summer here where there's no wind is when you want to have the bimini open to get a nice sunburn..  

Yeah, she's a bit heavy alright, and a bit pricey too - but I was under the impression that you were after a pilothouse. Friends have a fairly new custom Sceptre 43 (modified 41 with an open extended transom) and they say that once sailing, they have a clear hatch over the steering station and can steer and observe the sails easily enough. Changing trim, though, requires a trip to the cockpit. Nevertheless, they are certainly year-round boats!  

Paul- Got lucky when I got my old H.Lloyds the same way as "last years style" in yellow instead of lime green. I can live with that for 60% off.<G> You may find that skin.scuba supplies are also very useful, for instance thin "warm water" five-finger neoprene gloves, $10-15 at Walmart in warmer locations, complete with nubby grip bumps. 3x that much in a dive store of course. They won't keep your hands DRY in the downpour but they will keep you warm, and that's good enough for me. Lots of gore-tex lined thin winter gloves for skiers and such on the market these days too. And rubber divers booties that zip us the side, about 6-9" tall, make for real warm shoes. There are also neoprene socks sold, for fisherman to wear in waders, again WalMart can be a great chandlery.<G> Add some polypro underwear that stays warm even when wet, and dries very quickly, and a silk turtleneck as a top liner layer (also inexpensive) and there's a lot to be said for the progress in wet wx clothing these days, you should be able to stay warm and dry in almost any wx--on a budget. Anybody questions my winterweight woodland camo GoreTex bid pants in the winter, and I just remind them that duck hunting is legal outside the three mile limit.<G>  

Faster, Which Sceptre 41-43 boat do you know?  

I know of 2 sceptre's in Edmonds Wa, and one farther south in Case inlet. Marty  

My dad just sold his 4 months or so ago.......he was every rendezvous / fun race etc........SCEPTRE III It is a great boat for around the Pacific NW that sails exceptionally well! John  

John - we belong to the Gulf Yacht Club (as does/did your Dad) so we know of his of course (though we've not actually seen it), as well as several others in the same club: Forever Young, Kwinnum, Lucy May, Christie Cove. We had heard Sceptre III was on the block, apparently a very nice example indeed.  

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Somewhere between Cape Caution, British Columbia and Cape Foulweather, Oregon, I found myself pondering the pros and cons of pilothouse sailboats again. The marinas that skirt the Ship Graveyard of the Pacific—extending roughly from Tillamook Bay, Oregon to Cape Scott, B.C.—are a pilothouse showcase. I saw Ed Monk ketches, Cape George cutters, Bob Perry motorsailers, Nauticats, Gulfs, semi-custom aluminum sloops, and dozens of production boats with DIY fiberglass hard dodgers that mimicked Hallberg-Rassy’s signature feature.

Why so much effort to keep the weather out? The geography tells half the tale. Cape Disappointment and Cape Flattery—named for the way it humbled one of history’s boldest high latitude navigators, Captain James Cook­—were just two of the many notorious navigational hazards between the eponymous capes Foulweather and Caution.

The weather and sea conditions tell the other half of the tale. As I quickly found out during my few forays offshore, even on a particularly mild summer day, the fog, currents, and frigid waters of this region test the small boat navigator’s abilities.

And the boat must be up to the task.

The 19-foot skiff run by Captain Dennis Kay, a liveaboard sailor who took me on a cruise around the protected sounds near Tofino, B.C., had more safety equipment than you find aboard the average 32-foot sailboat—two high capacity bilge pumps, two manual emergency pumps, two ship’s batteries (one backup), three survival suits, two EPIRBs, two VHF radios with digital selective calling, three rescue ropes, a rescue ladder, a man overboard pole with beacon, heavy duty ground tackle, etc. His first order of business was to ensure someone aboard could manage the boat or call for rescue should something happen to him.

Back at the marina, after guiding us to some of the oldest cedar trees on the planet, he hopped aboard his custom aluminum sloop, a battle-scarred custom 30 footer. “I used to have a wood sailboat,” he said. “It could take a pounding, but it was too much work to maintain. Aluminum is the way to go up here—you might get dented on a wharf, but it’s not going to hole you.”

Like Kay’s sloop, the boats of Tofino are no beauty queens (fast-growing fungi and gargantuan, well-fed gulls render futile any attempts at spitshine), but they are fit for their mission.

Fitness for mission is often overlooked among builders and buyers today. It’s almost as if the mission of the modern production sailboat is to look pretty during a brochure photo shoot. So as boat show season approaches this autumn, I’d encourage boat buyers and new owners planning an extended cruise to consider their boat’s mission before signing a purchase agreement, adding expensive equipment, or commissioning upgrades.

There’s no need to equip a Chesapeake Bay weekender for a high latitude cruise, but as your homeport edges northward into a seascape crowded with infamous capes, the gap between weekender and offshore cruising boat becomes surprisingly narrow.

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“Fitness for mission is often overlooked among builders and buyers today.” So true. Maybe you need to sail in the PacificNW to understand that concept.

Cruising the Chesapeake, The weather patterns lull you into a comfort zone. When exposed to harsh conditions the reaction is more visceral. When you get that, your decisions about equipment, boat design, sailing are affected.

Thanks for the article. Hope to see you up here again. Maybe your visit might allow a connection with others in the sailing community.

John. Sailing the PacificNW waters.

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